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> Um, actually I find most things work that way. Certainly in 'Pine', > 'SLRN', 'Vim', and any other terminal app which snags the mouse for > itself, holding down shift gets back bypasses the app and gets back the > terminal's X selection operations. Oh, good, we're back to the topic of hateful software. Terminal mouse support is so badly implemented and designed, and you can't depend on it even if it wasn't... because sometimes it's compiled in, sometimes it isn't, sometimes it's allergic to screen or telnet, sometimes it's not... that the only rational thing to do is turn it off. Except that there's no way to just do that globally, you have to fiddle with each app's configuration until you find its "no mouse" option, or you have to figure out a TERM for each shell on each machine that'll leave you enough capabilities to let the app work without making it go "Whoa! I can use the mouse!". So I generally find that the best way to deal with terminal apps that snag the mouse is to use something else that doesn't. Compounding this is the fact that XTerm sucks so badly that only the fact that every other X11 terminal program sucks so much more keeps me using it. I know a lot of people like rxvt, but I'm damned if I can tell why: it's managed to be even less user friendly than XTerm, which is a pretty amazing thing by itself. And extended versions of rxvt aren't any better... you'd think that improving the user interface would be the first thing people would do, but NO, they extend it to do things like putting a unique backdrop picture in each window, or something else I can't even imagine wanting. And then there's newer replacements for XTerm. Some of them look like they'd be pretty good, but you need to install about half a gigabyte of Gnome or KDE, most of which was written by people who never used anything but Linux and unless someone's already ported them to your platform it's a major project to get them to work... and when you're done you've got something with maybe 30 or 40 times the footprint of XTerm. Even the ones described as "lightweight" are bloated things with half a dozen obscure dependencies. I don't want tabs or toolbars or menu bars, I just want something that looks like xterm-without-tektronix-support to the application, looks like xterm-without-athena-weirdness to me, and doesn't require me to exit it, fiddle with configuration and command line, and restart it just to change a simple option. But is there anything like that? Hell no. Hateful things. And to get back on topic, that means that if the app has grabbed the mouse it provides a visible indication of that fact, AND it lets me override that grab RIGHT NOW, FOR THIS WINDOW or ALL THE TIME, FOR ALL WINDOWS. A menu time to locate the develope of the app and apply jwz's patented audio-cock technology would be a nice extra.There's stuff above here
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