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* Peter da Silva <peter@xxxxxxx.xxx> [2006-12-17 19:05]: > On Dec 17, 2006, at 11:08 AM, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > >Agreed. After all, it's roughly a cross between Self and > >Perl... > > It's more like a C-styled version of Self, without the > Smalltalk/Self dependance on the GUI and snapshots. What of > Perl has seeped into it has largely been the stuff that Perl > borrowed from languages that sucked less in the first place. Objects in JS are synonymous with hash maps and vice versa. In Self, there is a meta-object protocol; JS doesn't have that. The String and Number classes have a bunch of Perlish methods. Etc. You might contend that these things come from where Perl borrowed them, fine; but I'm pretty sure JS didn't accidentally happen to individually copy the same bits from a hodgepodge of other languages that Perl also copied from those same other languages. See also the OO model stuff below. It would be a huge coincidence if JS ended up so much like Perl in so many disparate aspects due to pure chance alone; esp. considering Javascript was conceived for the browser environment at a time when doing dynamic web content meant doing Perl, period. > I hadn't really noticed this one before [...], so thank you for > making Javascript hateful to me. "What appears to be a crisis is often merely the end of an illusion." > >The OO models of JS and Perl are in fact amusingly similar. > > They're both template-based, anyway. I guess template-based > instead of class-based languages are pretty rare, though. Huh? Perl OO is class-based, not prototype-based like JS and Self. What I'm talking about is that objects in JS are hash maps, just like (usually) in Perl. And JS is not a lot like Python or Ruby here; neither Perl nor JS support uniformity of property/method access, whereas Python and Ruby do. There are a bunch of differences as well, of course. By and large, JS falls almost exactly half-way between Perl and Self. It should have been a lot more like Self than Perl there... certainly it should not have introduced its own brokenness on top. Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // <http://plasmasturm.org/>;There's stuff above here
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