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Author: simon
Date: 2005-02-18 17:03:39 +0000 (Fri, 18 Feb 2005)
New Revision: 1909
Added:
trunk/buscador/testmails/
trunk/buscador/testmails/attach.mails
trunk/buscador/testmails/attachment.mails
trunk/buscador/testmails/demo.mails
trunk/buscador/testmails/egr.mails
trunk/buscador/testmails/htmltest.mails
trunk/buscador/testmails/j.mails
trunk/buscador/testmails/mutt-ng-devel.mails
trunk/buscador/testmails/muttley.mails
trunk/buscador/testmails/random.mails
trunk/buscador/testmails/thread.mails
trunk/buscador/testmails/unicode.mails
Log:
Add a load of test mails
Added: trunk/buscador/testmails/attach.mails
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--- trunk/buscador/testmails/attach.mails 2005-02-18 17:02:52 UTC (rev 1908)
+++ trunk/buscador/testmails/attach.mails 2005-02-18 17:03:39 UTC (rev 1909)
@@ -0,0 +1,116 @@
+From matt.lawrence@xxxxxx.xxx Fri Jan 28 17:55:49 2005
+From: Simon Cozens <simon@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
+To: test@xxxx.xxx
+Bcc: lathos@xxxxx.xxx
+Subject: Test attachment
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+I am attaching two pointless attachments for your pleasure.
+
+--n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1
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--- trunk/buscador/testmails/attachment.mails 2005-02-18 17:02:52 UTC (rev 1908)
+++ trunk/buscador/testmails/attachment.mails 2005-02-18 17:03:39 UTC (rev 1909)
@@ -0,0 +1,295 @@
+From simon@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Fri Feb 11 10:00:12 2005
+Received: from simon by kanga.astray.com with local (Exim 4.12)
+ id 1CzXas-0005UM-00
+ for me@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:00:10 +0000
+Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:00:09 +0000
+From: Simon Wistow <simon@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
+To: me@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
+Subject: attachment test
+Message-ID: <20050211100008.GV13518@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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+Some attachments for testing
+
+
+
+--
+my ignorance is large - it contains multitudes
+
+
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+Creation - life and how to make it
+Steve Grand
+ISBN 0-75381-277-0
+
+Steve Grand is a digital god.
+
+I'm not just saying that as some sort of hero worship or as a glowing
+reccomendation of this book (although you could probably accuse me of
+both) but because he concieves and creates binary creatures and imbues
+them with life.
+
+Steve Grand begat the Norns - the impossibly cute, wide eyed inhabitants
+of the game Creatures (and all its sequels). Norns were not just some
+sophisticated Tamgotchi, nor were they a clever hack designed to appear
+life like whilst a Wizard like figure behind the screen pull all the
+strings - Norns were designed to be alive.
+
+Despite (or, possibly, because of) having Igor Aleksander as a lecturer
+at college I've remained skeptical about the possibility of artificial
+life and machine intelligence (I shy away from saying the more normal,
+and loaded, Artificial Intelligence) but find the Intelligent agents in
+games to be a fascinating field and so I bought this book expecting it
+to be a HOWTO guide for building seemingly intelligent characters mixed
+in with some Neural Net theory.
+
+However I was pleasantly surprised to find a wide ranging and incredibly
+complete (especially considering that it's only 263 pages long including
+diagrams) book which was vaguely reminiscent of classic Feynman (but
+without the misogony).
+
+This book debunks the last 50 years of AI research but is cautiously
+optimistic for the next 50 years claiming, that we've been looking in
+the wrong place, that AI Research has failed its own Turing Test, and
+that the solutions to the problems lie within this book.
+
+Like any good theorem it starts off with the basics, by defining the
+axioms that the rest of the proof can be built upon. Only in this case
+it's more like redefining the basics - there is no such thing, argues
+Grand, as matter.
+
+I blinked hard a couple of times too.
+
+Essentially the argument goes like this - matter is no more than a
+disturbance in the universe just like a wave is nothing more than a
+disturbance in water. Sitting typing this on a laptop that I've just
+found out wasn't worth one and a half grand because, essentially, it's
+not there, is a little disconcerting but after a short think and a nice
+hot cup of tea it becomes a more palatable idea - think of it like this
+: the same difficulty one has with believing that a thing is just a
+disturbance in the universe is the same difficulty someone watching an
+incoming tidal wave has with believing that it's 'just' a disturbance in
+the sea and not a coherent thing.
+
+For more on this read "The Matter Myth" by Paul Davies and John Gribbin.
+
+>From there Grand goes onto explain clumping - subatomic particles clump
+together to form atoms, to form molecules to form chemicals. At this
+point, I have to admit, I was wondering what, precisely this has to do
+with games and intelligence. The answer is positive and negative
+feedback loops which drive evolution and give rise to emergent
+behaviour.
+
+What Grand shows is that some seemingly intelligent behaviour, such as
+ants storing all their dead in a mass grave is little more than emergent
+behaviour. Ditto their path finding ability. By attempting to reproduce
+piece meal pure learning or intelligence or reasoning classical AI
+research has missed the point - what is needed is a combination of
+emergent behaviour, learning and emotions and then you get the
+intelligence 'for free'.
+
+It works in the same way as writing the dynamics in a game. Pacman
+didn't implement a physics engine - there was a simple rule that said
+"you can't move into the walls". However the same rule would come for
+free if it had been done with a physics engine. It would have Just
+Worked [tm].
+
+Still with me? Good, we're only half way through. And I've missed out
+lots.
+
+Armed with these concepts we plunge into "God's Lego Set" - kind of
+design patterns for the universe - which examines the tools at our
+disposal before swerving neatly into "The whole Iguana" were we start
+plumbing everything so that in "Igor hand me that screwdriver" we can
+start building our virtual creature. Which is named Ron - Grand
+unconvincingly tries to claim that it's named Ron because that was the
+name of King Arthur's spear and also because of the infamous (mostly due
+to Fight Club) series of Readers' Digest articles about body parts such
+as "I am Jane's spleen" and, more relevantly, "I am Ron's brain".
+
+With the equivalent of some virtual neurons and a small hormone factory
+Ron quickly starts to take shape - what I liked best is the fact that
+everyt time Grand describes a problem (and he's not afraid to admit the
+mistakes he made and the corners he had to cut) there's always an
+elegant hack to get round it - as a programmer I found this as beautiful
+and as fascinating as the finished product and it's almost certainly the
+hallmarks of a well designed system.
+
+With everything plugged in the rubber gloves are donned and the switch
+thrown. Lightening cracks, thunder roles, cliches are perpetrated. Ron
+LIVES!
+
+The emergent behaviour is fascinating - when placed with other Norns we
+discover that Ron, being attractive in a Norn kind of way learns that
+the first things that run towards him are females wanting to mate. Sadly
+when a truck rushes towards him he hasn't yet learnt to fear it so he,
+err, attempts to get jiggy with the Semi. This, explains Grand, is a
+feature not a bug.
+
+The last few chapters of the book deal with consequences of having
+machine life by taking stories from the online Creatures community
+(which is even larger than the Quake) and from the worldwide population
+of Norns - rough guesses place the figure in the several millions, more
+than the worldwide population of elephants - such as how it reacted to
+the Creature Torture site and the impassioned pleas of an Australian
+family who had one of their Norns give birth to a deaf and dumb baby
+(Grand did the equivalent of gene surgery, fed her up and sent her back
+and then recieved a Christmas card from the family saying that little
+'Kelly' was doing fine) - and mixing them in with some philosophy. For
+examples he asks why people think that robots will try and take over the
+earth - there is no point for them, their pleasure will be in serving us
+and so extermination of the human race would be counter productive.
+
+To sum up, an excellent book. Whilst some scientific knowledge (or at
+least scientific interest) is useful it isn't required. It leads us
+through fairly complicated ideas without patronising or bamboozling and
+Grand writes with warmth and humour (viz. the Chapter titles mentioned
+above - my favourite being chapter 7 which uses the Red Dwarf quote
+"They call me Legion; for I am many" and starts with a quote from Elbert
+Hubbard's Philistine "Life is just one damn thing after another") but
+with obvious intelligence and passion, hence the Feynman comparison.
+Or closer to home - think our own Mr Conway (Damian not John 'Game of
+Life' Conway, although he is mentioned lots) but smoking from a
+biological crack pipe rather than than a Latin or Quantum one.
+
+If you're interested in AI, biology, philosophy or just looking for a
+good book to read then this book is 8 pounds very well spent.
+
+
+Simon
+
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+From maypole-admin@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Tue Jun 1 09:57:39 2004
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+hi,
+
+I "brusted" over the arhives and see there is some discussion about support
+for Apache2... what are the steps to make maypole working under apache2, if possible?
+
+As worst case scenario how to run it under pure CGI ?
+
+tia
+
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+Cc: maypole@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx
+Subject: Re: [Maypole] apache2 or cgi?
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+On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 11:55:53AM +0300, raptor@xxxxxx.xxx wrote:
+> hi,
+>
+> I "brusted" over the arhives and see there is some discussion about
+> support for Apache2... what are the steps to make maypole working
+> under apache2, if possible?
+
+I got Maypole working fine under Apache2 by following the directions in
+
+http://lists.netthink.co.uk/pipermail/maypole/2004-May/000248.html
+
+I also had to install the Apache2 version of Apache::Request which I
+got from
+
+http://search.cpan.org/dist/libapreq2-2.02_02-dev/
+
+Dave...
+
+--
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+ Running in please parse
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+Subject: Re: [Maypole] apache2 or cgi?
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+> http://search.cpan.org/dist/libapreq2-2.02_02-dev/
+
+what about :
+<<
+Maypole::Authentication::UserSessionCookie doesn't work yet here,
+(segfaults) but I'm working on it.
+>>
+
+
+When I try :
+ ./configure --with-apache2-apxs=/usr/sbin/apxs2
+>>>>...............
+checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
+build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in ''.
+configure: error: Bad apache2 version
+
+
+--with-apache2-apxs <-- what this mean path to apxs binary or some directory ?!
+
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+
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+raptor@xxxxxx.xxx wrote:
+
+>>http://search.cpan.org/dist/libapreq2-2.02_02-dev/
+>>
+>>
+>
+>what about :
+><<
+>Maypole::Authentication::UserSessionCookie doesn't work yet here,
+>(segfaults) but I'm working on it.
+>
+>
+I have a working version of this, can't remember if I posted the last
+version of this to the list. Should be part of the next release of this
+module I guess. Sure wish someone had taken up Simon on the project
+manager mail.
+
+Marcus
+
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+To: maypole@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx
+Subject: Re: [Maypole] apache2 or cgi?
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+Marcus Ramberg:
+> I have a working version of this, can't remember if I posted the last
+> version of this to the list. Should be part of the next release of this
+> module I guess.
+
+I'd be happy for this module to spun off to you if you want.
+
+> Sure wish someone had taken up Simon on the project
+> manager mail.
+
+Oh, plenty of people did. Unfortunately, without a clear list of priorities,
+taking one of them up on the offer hasn't been a priority yet. :)
+
+I should have time to look at another batch of Maypole stuff in about two
+weeks. In the meantime, I'd sure love it if people told me what they thought I
+should be doing by sending change requests to bugs-Maypole@xx.xxxx.xxx
+
+--
+Heh, heh, heh, heh... the NOISE of a bursar CHEWING Proctors' Memoranda.
+ - Henry Braun is Oxford Zippy
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+Simultaneously I'm tring CGI variant too :
+
+...
+client denied by server configuration: /usr/htdocs
+Premature end of script headers: test.pl
+file error - frontpage: not found at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/Maypole/View/Base.pm line <DATA> 3077 ......
+
+
+As stated in the Wiki FAQ I'm tring to put slash at the end, but still get this error , can this be 'cause
+
+>>> client denied by server configuration: /usr/htdocs <<<
+
+What I've set is a lib directory where I put MyTest.pm :
+
+package MyTest;
+#use base 'Apache::MVC';
+use base 'CGI::Maypole';
+
+MyTest->setup("dbi:SQLite:/path/to/db/test.db");
+MyTest->config->{uri_base} = "http://localhost/maypole/";;
+MyTest->config->{rows_per_page} = 10;
+MyTest->config->{display_tables} = [qw[test]];
+1;
+
+then test.pl like this :
+
+#!/usr/bin/perl -w
+use strict;
+use lib '/path/to/maypole/lib';
+use MyTest;
+MyTest->run();
+
+
+and fetched like this :
+
+wget http://x.x.x.x/maypole/test.pl/
+--15:47:12-- http://x.x.x.x/maypole/test.pl/
+ => `index.html'
+Connecting to x.x.x.x:80... connected.
+HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error
+15:47:13 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.
+
+this doesnt help either :
+
+wget http://x.x.x.x/maypole/test.pl/list
+--16:00:58-- http://x.x.x.x/maypole/test.pl/list
+ => `list'
+Connecting to x.x.x.x:80... connected.
+HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error
+16:00:58 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.
+
+
+wget http://x.x.x.x/maypole/test.pl/test/list
+
+either... the "test" is the name of the Table ...
+
+what i'm doing wrong ..
+
+tia
+
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+Hmm :") i had to do it like this so I dont get Internal error ::
+
+> then test.pl like this :
+>
+> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
+print "Content-type: text/html \n\n";
+> use strict;
+> use lib '/path/to/maypole/lib';
+> use MyTest;
+> MyTest->run();
+
+
+but still no success.. it seems I have to copy from somewhere --> somewhere-else templates ... but
+from where to where ?
+
+tia
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+I found the problem the following has to be added to MyTest :
+
+sub get_template_root { "/path/to/templates/" }
+
+where I can find the .css stuff ... it looks very ugly not as shown on perl.com :")
+
+On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:08:23 +0300
+"raptor@xxxxxx.xxx" <raptor@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
+
+> Simultaneously I'm tring CGI variant too :
+>
+> ...
+> client denied by server configuration: /usr/htdocs
+> Premature end of script headers: test.pl
+> file error - frontpage: not found at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/Maypole/View/Base.pm line <DATA> 3077 ......
+>
+>
+> As stated in the Wiki FAQ I'm tring to put slash at the end, but still get this error , can this be 'cause
+>
+> >>> client denied by server configuration: /usr/htdocs <<<
+>
+> What I've set is a lib directory where I put MyTest.pm :
+>
+> package MyTest;
+> #use base 'Apache::MVC';
+> use base 'CGI::Maypole';
+>
+> MyTest->setup("dbi:SQLite:/path/to/db/test.db");
+> MyTest->config->{uri_base} = "http://localhost/maypole/";;
+> MyTest->config->{rows_per_page} = 10;
+> MyTest->config->{display_tables} = [qw[test]];
+> 1;
+>
+> then test.pl like this :
+>
+> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
+> use strict;
+> use lib '/path/to/maypole/lib';
+> use MyTest;
+> MyTest->run();
+>
+>
+> and fetched like this :
+>
+> wget http://x.x.x.x/maypole/test.pl/
+> --15:47:12-- http://x.x.x.x/maypole/test.pl/
+> => `index.html'
+> Connecting to x.x.x.x:80... connected.
+> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error
+> 15:47:13 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.
+>
+> this doesnt help either :
+>
+> wget http://x.x.x.x/maypole/test.pl/list
+> --16:00:58-- http://x.x.x.x/maypole/test.pl/list
+> => `list'
+> Connecting to x.x.x.x:80... connected.
+> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error
+> 16:00:58 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.
+>
+>
+> wget http://x.x.x.x/maypole/test.pl/test/list
+>
+> either... the "test" is the name of the Table ...
+>
+> what i'm doing wrong ..
+>
+> tia
+>
+> _______________________________________________
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+> http://lists.netthink.co.uk/listinfo/maypole
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+Hi. Some of the tables I want only accessible through links from other
+tables, others I want to display, so I've made this patch which allows
+you to specify ok_tables as well as display_tables . It also allows
+ok_tables to use the same format as display_tables.
+
+Marcus
+
+RCS file: /var/cvs/modules/Apache-MVC/lib/Maypole.pm,v
+retrieving revision 1.18
+diff -u -r1.18 Maypole.pm
+@@ -89,7 +90,10 @@
+ sub is_applicable {
+ my $self = shift;
+ my $config = $self->config;
+- $config->{ok_tables} = {map {$_ => 1} @{$config->{display_tables}}};
++ $config->{ok_tables} ||= @{$config->{display_tables}};
++ $config->{ok_tables} = {map {$_=>1} @{$config->{ok_tables}}}
++ if ref $config->{ok_tables} eq "ARRAY";
+ warn "We don't have that table ($self->{table})"
+ if $self->debug and not $config->{ok_tables}{$self->{table}};
+ return DECLINED() unless exists $config->{ok_tables}{$self->{table}};
+
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+Hi all,
+
+I am very impressed by Maypole and want to use it with a set of classes
+I've written using Class::DBI before I stubled on this framework. I
+could not use Maypole::Model::CDBI because the classes have names that
+are slightly different from those produced by Class::DBI::Loader. I have
+included my attempt to extend Maypole::Model::CDBI [1] to use this
+classes instead of autoloading some from Class::DBI::Loader, but I
+failed. The sources listed below do neither interact with the database
+(mysql logging is enabled but empty) nor produce any error messages:
+it's just like operating on empty datasets.
+
+I've tried to dig through the sources of Maypole (version 1.4) but lost
+my way after all this indirection and multiple inheritance and stuff, so
+I'd like to ask if anyone here can spot what I am doing wrong or even
+provide me with an example of a working model class for preexisting
+Class::DBI classes.
+
+Regards,
+ Sebastian
+
+P.S. Have mercy if I've done something completly braindead, I am fairly
+new to the wonderful world of Class::DBI and friends.
+
+---
+
+[1] My attempt at Driver and Model classes for use with preexisting
+ Class::DBI classes
+
+package Bar::A;
+use Class::DBI::FromCGI;
+use Class::DBI::mysql;
+use base 'Class::DBI::mysql';
+
+__PACKAGE__->set_db( 'Main', 'dbi:mysql:bar' );
+__PACKAGE__->set_up_table( 'tbl_a' );
+__PACKAGE__->has_many( addresses => 'Bar::A::B' );
+
+package Bar::A::B;
+use Class::DBI::FromCGI;
+use Class::DBI::mysql;
+use base 'Class::DBI::mysql';
+
+__PACKAGE__->set_db( 'Main', 'dbi:mysql:bar' );
+__PACKAGE__->set_up_table( 'tbl_a_b' );
+
+package Bar;
+
+use base 'Apache::MVC';
+
+Bar->setup("dbi:mysql:bar");
+Bar->config->{uri_base} = "http://bar.loc/";;
+Bar->config->{rows_per_page} = 10;
+Bar->config->{model} = 'Bar::Model';
+Bar->config->{display_tables} = [qw[tbl_a tbl_b]];
+Bar::A->untaint_columns( printable => [qw/foo1 foo2/] );
+Bar::A::B->untaint_columns( email => [qw/email/] );
+
+
+package Bar::Model;
+
+use Maypole::Model::CDBI;
+use base 'Maypole::Model::CDBI';
+
+my %_classlist = ( tbl_a => 'Bar::A', tbl_a_b => 'Bar::A::B' );
+
+sub setup_database {
+ my ($self, $config, $namespace, $dsn, $u, $p) = @_;
+ $config->{dsn} = $dsn;
+ $config->{classes} = [ sort values %_classlist ];
+ $config->{tables} = [ sort keys %_classlist ];
+ $self->adopt($_) for @{$config->{classes}};
+}
+
+sub class_of {
+ my ($self, $r, $table) = @_;
+ return $_classlist{ $table } || $self->SUPER::class_of( $r, $table );
+}
+
+
+
+
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+http://lists.netthink.co.uk/listinfo/maypole
+
+From matt.lawrence@xxxxxx.xxx Fri Jan 28 17:55:49 2005
+From: Simon Cozens <simon@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
+To: test@xxxx.xxx
+Bcc: lathos@xxxxx.xxx
+Subject: Test attachment
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+From simon@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Fri Feb 11 10:00:12 2005
+Received: from simon by kanga.astray.com with local (Exim 4.12)
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+ for me@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:00:10 +0000
+Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:00:09 +0000
+From: Simon Wistow <simon@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
+To: me@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
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+
+--
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+Creation - life and how to make it
+Steve Grand
+ISBN 0-75381-277-0
+
+Steve Grand is a digital god.
+
+I'm not just saying that as some sort of hero worship or as a glowing
+reccomendation of this book (although you could probably accuse me of
+both) but because he concieves and creates binary creatures and imbues
+them with life.
+
+Steve Grand begat the Norns - the impossibly cute, wide eyed inhabitants
+of the game Creatures (and all its sequels). Norns were not just some
+sophisticated Tamgotchi, nor were they a clever hack designed to appear
+life like whilst a Wizard like figure behind the screen pull all the
+strings - Norns were designed to be alive.
+
+Despite (or, possibly, because of) having Igor Aleksander as a lecturer
+at college I've remained skeptical about the possibility of artificial
+life and machine intelligence (I shy away from saying the more normal,
+and loaded, Artificial Intelligence) but find the Intelligent agents in
+games to be a fascinating field and so I bought this book expecting it
+to be a HOWTO guide for building seemingly intelligent characters mixed
+in with some Neural Net theory.
+
+However I was pleasantly surprised to find a wide ranging and incredibly
+complete (especially considering that it's only 263 pages long including
+diagrams) book which was vaguely reminiscent of classic Feynman (but
+without the misogony).
+
+This book debunks the last 50 years of AI research but is cautiously
+optimistic for the next 50 years claiming, that we've been looking in
+the wrong place, that AI Research has failed its own Turing Test, and
+that the solutions to the problems lie within this book.
+
+Like any good theorem it starts off with the basics, by defining the
+axioms that the rest of the proof can be built upon. Only in this case
+it's more like redefining the basics - there is no such thing, argues
+Grand, as matter.
+
+I blinked hard a couple of times too.
+
+Essentially the argument goes like this - matter is no more than a
+disturbance in the universe just like a wave is nothing more than a
+disturbance in water. Sitting typing this on a laptop that I've just
+found out wasn't worth one and a half grand because, essentially, it's
+not there, is a little disconcerting but after a short think and a nice
+hot cup of tea it becomes a more palatable idea - think of it like this
+: the same difficulty one has with believing that a thing is just a
+disturbance in the universe is the same difficulty someone watching an
+incoming tidal wave has with believing that it's 'just' a disturbance in
+the sea and not a coherent thing.
+
+For more on this read "The Matter Myth" by Paul Davies and John Gribbin.
+
+>From there Grand goes onto explain clumping - subatomic particles clump
+together to form atoms, to form molecules to form chemicals. At this
+point, I have to admit, I was wondering what, precisely this has to do
+with games and intelligence. The answer is positive and negative
+feedback loops which drive evolution and give rise to emergent
+behaviour.
+
+What Grand shows is that some seemingly intelligent behaviour, such as
+ants storing all their dead in a mass grave is little more than emergent
+behaviour. Ditto their path finding ability. By attempting to reproduce
+piece meal pure learning or intelligence or reasoning classical AI
+research has missed the point - what is needed is a combination of
+emergent behaviour, learning and emotions and then you get the
+intelligence 'for free'.
+
+It works in the same way as writing the dynamics in a game. Pacman
+didn't implement a physics engine - there was a simple rule that said
+"you can't move into the walls". However the same rule would come for
+free if it had been done with a physics engine. It would have Just
+Worked [tm].
+
+Still with me? Good, we're only half way through. And I've missed out
+lots.
+
+Armed with these concepts we plunge into "God's Lego Set" - kind of
+design patterns for the universe - which examines the tools at our
+disposal before swerving neatly into "The whole Iguana" were we start
+plumbing everything so that in "Igor hand me that screwdriver" we can
+start building our virtual creature. Which is named Ron - Grand
+unconvincingly tries to claim that it's named Ron because that was the
+name of King Arthur's spear and also because of the infamous (mostly due
+to Fight Club) series of Readers' Digest articles about body parts such
+as "I am Jane's spleen" and, more relevantly, "I am Ron's brain".
+
+With the equivalent of some virtual neurons and a small hormone factory
+Ron quickly starts to take shape - what I liked best is the fact that
+everyt time Grand describes a problem (and he's not afraid to admit the
+mistakes he made and the corners he had to cut) there's always an
+elegant hack to get round it - as a programmer I found this as beautiful
+and as fascinating as the finished product and it's almost certainly the
+hallmarks of a well designed system.
+
+With everything plugged in the rubber gloves are donned and the switch
+thrown. Lightening cracks, thunder roles, cliches are perpetrated. Ron
+LIVES!
+
+The emergent behaviour is fascinating - when placed with other Norns we
+discover that Ron, being attractive in a Norn kind of way learns that
+the first things that run towards him are females wanting to mate. Sadly
+when a truck rushes towards him he hasn't yet learnt to fear it so he,
+err, attempts to get jiggy with the Semi. This, explains Grand, is a
+feature not a bug.
+
+The last few chapters of the book deal with consequences of having
+machine life by taking stories from the online Creatures community
+(which is even larger than the Quake) and from the worldwide population
+of Norns - rough guesses place the figure in the several millions, more
+than the worldwide population of elephants - such as how it reacted to
+the Creature Torture site and the impassioned pleas of an Australian
+family who had one of their Norns give birth to a deaf and dumb baby
+(Grand did the equivalent of gene surgery, fed her up and sent her back
+and then recieved a Christmas card from the family saying that little
+'Kelly' was doing fine) - and mixing them in with some philosophy. For
+examples he asks why people think that robots will try and take over the
+earth - there is no point for them, their pleasure will be in serving us
+and so extermination of the human race would be counter productive.
+
+To sum up, an excellent book. Whilst some scientific knowledge (or at
+least scientific interest) is useful it isn't required. It leads us
+through fairly complicated ideas without patronising or bamboozling and
+Grand writes with warmth and humour (viz. the Chapter titles mentioned
+above - my favourite being chapter 7 which uses the Red Dwarf quote
+"They call me Legion; for I am many" and starts with a quote from Elbert
+Hubbard's Philistine "Life is just one damn thing after another") but
+with obvious intelligence and passion, hence the Feynman comparison.
+Or closer to home - think our own Mr Conway (Damian not John 'Game of
+Life' Conway, although he is mentioned lots) but smoking from a
+biological crack pipe rather than than a Latin or Quantum one.
+
+If you're interested in AI, biology, philosophy or just looking for a
+good book to read then this book is 8 pounds very well spent.
+
+
+Simon
+
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+From: Christopher Locke <clocke@xxxxx.xxx>
+Subject: EGR: out firefoxed
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+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+ <base href="http://www.chiefbloggingofficer.com">;
+</head>
+<body bgcolor="white" text="black">
+<div align="center"><small><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><big><big><big>the
+pretty version is <u><b><a
+ href="http://www.chiefbloggingofficer.com/2005/02/out-firefoxed.html">here</a></b></u></big></big></big></font></small><br>;
+</div>
+<br>
+<br>
+Valued Readers:<br>
+<br>
+Take a tip from the old CBO. Never, <i>ever</i>, say you're "always on
+the job," then spend the whole next day reconfiguring your entire
+working environment until you're near blind and you've got 68 random
+parameters coming out your ears. I finally moved to the Mac about nine
+months ago, and while it wasn't a walk in the park to relearn all my
+old tricks in brand new software, I have to say -- well, I don't have
+to, but I will -- that's it's mostly been a lot of fun.
+<p>I hope you won't mind too much that I'm gonna talk geek in this
+post. I usually keep it under pretty good wraps. But beneath my mild
+mannered exterior lives a seething, fire-breathing technofreak of no
+mean skillz. Imagine me beating my breast here like Johnny Weissmuller
+(for the youngsters among you: that was the guy who played Tarzan in
+the old Saturday afternoon matinees -- which you also don't remember). </p>
+<p>However, I lie. The sad truth of it is that I'm only just good
+enough at this stuff to be dangerous. Mostly to myself. I suppose it's
+a tribute to Mac OS X that I'm still up and running after the way I
+hacked this poor little 12" powerbook today. Why, I beat it like a
+red-headed stepchild! </p>
+<p>So two things caught my wavering attention this morning. Or whenever
+it was I woke up today. Yes, now I remember. It <i>was</i> morning.
+God, I hope that never happens again. And those two things were? Oh
+yes... </p>
+<ol compact="compact" type="1">
+ <li>I saw that <a
+ href="http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2005/02/15.html#a9441";
+ target="_blank">Scoble</a> had something about Gates alluding to a
+commitment to propose to deliver sometime in the future a new beta
+version of Internet Explorer. Whoa, huh? Now, I like Robert, and I know
+he's got a tough job over there at Microsoft, walking that fine line
+between truth and dare. But dude! That was so lame. No, no, I don't
+mean you. I mean that other guy saying like (and I paraphrase), we've
+heard The People speak, and they shall have of us that wonder they have
+yea verily demanded and Bill himself has spoken on this saying oh ye of
+little faith, just wait another couple-three quarters and it shall come
+to pass. Words to that general ipecacian effect.</li>
+</ol>
+<ol start="2" compact="compact" type="1">
+ <li>And the other thing I saw was this...</li>
+</ol>
+<div align="center">
+<a href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/"; target="_blank"><img alt="IMG"
+ src="cid:part1.02020902.08020902@xxxxx.xxx" border="1" height="222"
+ width="261"></a><br>
+which I heartily invite you to click
+</div>
+<p>...because that tail and those ears are connected to a fox that is
+right now as we speak, so to speak, eating Microsoft's lunch. It is, in
+point of fact, a wily Firefox. And it has powerful friends all around
+the world, who are doing a kind of marketing number I once could only
+dream (and occasionally write) about.<br>
+<br>
+<table align="center" bgcolor="#000000" border="1" cellpadding="3"
+ cellspacing="2" width="400">
+ <tbody>
+ <tr>
+ <td><a href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=node/view/11556";
+ target="_blank"><img alt="" src="cid:part2.08080501.03030204@xxxxx.xxx"
+ align="middle" border="0" height="259" hspace="0" vspace="0"
+ width="264"></a></td>
+ <td><font color="#666666" face="arial" size="+3"><b>I mean, if
+you catch my drift...</b></font></td>
+ </tr>
+ </tbody>
+</table>
+</p>
+<p>And I have to say, I felt genuinely embarrassed when I looked at all
+that unbridled enthusiasm. I felt as if I'd been out of it way too
+long. Sitting on the sidelines licking my various wounds. So that's why
+I tore into my system and changed just about everything about how I'm
+working on this stuff. Not that I was using IE much anyway. I guess I'm
+just prone to being swayed, being moved, being rocked to my sox by this
+fox out of box. By this kind of rockin-the-top-off <i>JOY</i>. And
+that's what it is, make no mistake. Dangerous stuff when allowed to run
+wild and free like that. A dangerous business. </p>
+<p>I guess it's just that I like a good firefight every once in a
+while. It clears the air. Like everybody in town getting wasted for
+carnival. I just went over to the <a
+ href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/02/15/373104.aspx";
+ target="_blank">IEBlog</a>, which I'd never even heard of before
+today, and was rolling on the floor laughing at all the Firefox
+molotovs being tossed into that um conversation. And I know what some
+of you are thinking, though I'm thinking you've gotta be a small
+minority of those reading my anarchist ravings with any, shall we say,
+regularity. You -- the few, the proud -- are thinking this sort of
+behavior isn't very polite. And of course you're right.
+</p>
+<p><i>Yeah, but it sure is fun!</i>
+</p>
+<p>I knew the net was going to do this someday. I could feel it in my
+creaky old bones ten years ago, maybe 20. One day, I thought, some
+giant company is going to make some major announcement -- or what it
+would like the world to believe is a major announcement -- but the
+carefully crafted if utterly empty rhetoric will be drowned out by <a
+ href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=image/tid/50"; target="_blank">the
+block party</a> going on next door.<br>
+<br>
+</p>
+<blockquote><b><a href="http://www.highbeam.com/?refid=blog_2030486"><img
+ src="cid:part3.08010401.09020801@xxxxx.xxx" align="right" border="0"
+ hspace="10" vspace="0"></a><a
+ href="http://www.highbeam.com/library/docRef.asp?docid=1P1:104061960&refid=blog_2030486&openRef=1";
+ target="_blank">The Tampa Tribune, January 3, 2005:</a></b> " The
+Firefox browser, downloaded an impressive 10 million times in its first
+month, is creating a buzz on the Web as people weary of the security
+shortcomings of Microsoft Internet Explorer give the open-source
+alternative a try."
+ <p><b><a href="http://www.highbeam.com/?refid=blog_2030486"><img
+ src="cid:part3.08010401.09020801@xxxxx.xxx" align="right" border="0"
+ hspace="10" vspace="0"></a><a
+ href="http://www.highbeam.com/library/docRef.asp?docid=1G1:128032319&refid=blog_2030486&openRef=1";
+ target="_blank">The Christian Science Monitor, February 3, 2005:</a></b>"A
+clever fox is sneaking into Microsoft's henhouse, and some observers
+are warning that though it won't steal any valuable software itself, it
+could leave the door open to more ravenous invaders if the software
+giant isn't careful... In just over two months, [Firefox] has grabbed
+about 5 percent of the market, while IE has dropped from more than 95
+percent to just over 90 percent."
+ </p>
+ <p><b><a href="http://www.highbeam.com/?refid=blog_2030486"><img
+ src="cid:part3.08010401.09020801@xxxxx.xxx" align="right" border="0"
+ hspace="10" vspace="0"></a><a
+ href="http://www.highbeam.com/library/docRef.asp?docid=1P1:105065627&refid=blog_2030486&openRef=1";
+ target="_blank">Business Week, February 7, 2005:</a></b> The article
+is titled, "Move Over, Internet Explorer," and it ends with this. "One
+last to-do item before you start surfing with Firefox: Take a minute on
+the Mozilla.org site to make an online donation to the foundation,
+whose mission is to preserve choice and innovation on the Internet. The
+browser is free, but Mozilla has expenses. If you're using the product,
+why not help support it?"
+ </p>
+</blockquote>
+<p><a href="http://mozilla.org/foundation/donate.html"; target="_blank">Good
+question</a>. In fact, it's an <i>excellent</i> question. Sounds to me
+like The End of Business Week As Usual. <g> <br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="gray" size="2">Posted by clocke to <a
+ href="http://www.chiefbloggingofficer.com/2005/02/out-firefoxed.html">Chief
+Blogging Officer</a> at 2/16/2005 04:52:00 AM</font>.
+</p>
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