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Humph. I'm writing PHP (again) today. I'm just doing a bit of munging on a data structure - basically turning a hash of objects some of which have another object in the same hash as their parent into a tree containing the same objects. It'd be trivial in Perl. In PHP it's not quite so simple. PHP really likes every assignment to be a deep copy. In mitigation it dangles the carrot of pretending to support references using the =& assignment operator. Except that: "Complex arrays are sometimes rather copied than referenced. Thus following example will not work as expected." [1] <?php $top = array( 'A' => array(), 'B' => array( 'B_b' => array(), ), ); $top['A']['parent'] = &$top; $top['B']['parent'] = &$top; $top['B']['B_b']['data'] = 'test'; print_r($top['A']['parent']['B']['B_b']); // array() ?> There's plenty of madness elsewhere on the same page too. In PHP4 something as innocuous as $obj = new Object(); actually makes a deep copy of the newly created object! So the idiom is instead $obj =& new Object(); Which is OK once you get used to the ugliness - but "Since PHP 5, new return(sic) reference automatically so using =& in this context is deprecated and produces E_STRICT level message." So it's impossible to write code for something as simple as creating a new object that works right in PHP4 and still works without warnings in PHP5. Which of course means you give up on using E_STRICT, which means you don't see all the other shite that's going on - some of which might actually be informative. Somebody remind me why do so many people use a language that can't even get this completely basic stuff right. [1] http://uk.php.net/manual/en/language.references.whatdo.php (reposted from london.pm) -- Andy Armstrong, hexten.net
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