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* On 2005.04.23, in <20050423214914.37014413C6@xxxxxxx.xx.xxxxxxx.xxx>, * "Peter da Silva" <peter@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > of some of that crap because at some point they made some incompatible > API changes and so different apps depended on different versions. Right there. That's the #1 reason why I never, never want my software maintenance to depend on "apt-get upgrade everything you see". But even if that's fixed in some far-off dreamy version of $crackheaded_os_of_the_decade, none of you will ever convince me that one's entire OS ought to work this way. Nor one's entire perl, for that matter. There are too many sources of authority for the dependencies to be managed in one clearinghouse. That said, I'm moderately happy with Software Update. It only updates things within its own domain of authority, and that's fine with me. A preference pane I could open up to find out what's new among all my installed applications, and choose which ones to update today, that would be nice too. But "be smart for me"? No, thanks. I've seen this scenario: something had to start working, I didn't have time to mess around, I needed results, but I also needed to update a few packages on my Debian system to get there. It's rather infuriating to do an update and find that the system's dependency tracker has decided to swap out 70% of your OS, leaving fragments behind, or leaving multiple versions behind, or removing applications I used that no longer had dependencies supplied by the current set of provisions.... and to still need to get work done ASAP. I'll take linux kids whinging over how omfg 3 years out of date my xyz is any day over that. Cause you know, my xyz still works. And half of what you'd have me install, I've never heard of and will never find a use for. I miss filesystem versioning. Metadata in the filesystem or not, at least it was harder to produce an excuse not to use it. Unix would still have found a way to make it useless, though. The #! should have died in a dark corner decades ago, but nobody ever met the versioning requirements to kill it. -- -D. dgc@xxxxxxxx.xxx NSIT University of ChicagoThere's stuff above here
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